he just did not-- it's a lot better to have a debate when both people show up. and barack obama did not show up. and that left-- joe biden with a real-- he had to make the case that wasn't made. and because the president didn't even engage in denver, you can see in spite of the polls and paul solman's case, you can see the surge of mitt romney in a state like florida where the issue of social security, the president said there's no real difference between us. that gave mitt romney an opening that he has driven at least two cadillacs through. and -- >> would you ever do that? we debate on tv. would you ever behave the way de. >> i just-- i didn't-- see, i didn't find it as offensive as you did. i think if that happened it would show in your face. pain because paul ryan was so preter naturally cool last night and calm, and he was. and i thought to his credit. and by contrast, but he never registered a sense of outrage oranger that he was hurt by it. >> woodruff: what about on the skub stands. did we learn anything new from the two of them. are there difference bet